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Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.29 12:20:00 - [1] Okay, CCP patched up freighters and they dropped loot. Because of the new patch, freighters are now targets of high-sec griefing. CCP, why don't you give us medium and low slots in our freighters please? Freighters drop loot so they must be able to fit some modules to prevent high-sec griefings. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.29 13:03:00 - [2] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 29/04/2007 13:01:52 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Okay, CCP patched up freighters and they dropped loot. Because of the new patch, freighters are now targets of high-sec griefing. CCP, why don't you give us medium and low slots in our freighters please? Freighters drop loot so they must be able to fit some modules to prevent high-sec griefings. How is it "griefing" if a ship gets attacked for loot? That sounds more like "playing EVE". One group kills for loot because they think there is loot. One group kills for fun because they can. One group kills because the hate the freighter pilot. Two groups are griefers and one group is not. Majority wins. Ganking freighters in high-sec is griefing. Freighters need medium and low slots badly. Give the little lamb a chance until Concord arrives to help it. When you gank a freighter, the pilot stands a chance to lose billions. Gankers only lose less than 100M. Griefers pew pew. Freighter pilots have to enjoy receiving pew pew. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.29 15:45:00 - [3] Freighters have no low and medium slots by design after the loot patch is a design malfunction. You can argue and spin to all inhabitants who are blind in one eye and can't see in the other that black is white. There is a problem with freighters and it is they have no defensive slots. Full stop. Anyone with a brain size of a nucleus could see the freighter problem. Don't tell me go get a scout and check whether there is a gate gank next door because there is no way for a freighter to defensively tank a gank long enough for Concord or MWD/warp away to a station. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:03:00 - [4] What harm could 0/3/3 hi/med/low do? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.29 19:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Jenny Spitfire What harm could 0/3/3 hi/med/low do? Simple: capital ships in empire. Freighter + cargo expanders = enough cargo space to fit repackaged capital ships. Give freighters slots and you might as well just allow cynos in empire and skip the whole middle step. Unless of course you'd be willing to accept a significant cargo space nerf to get your slots? ... ... ... Or you could set repackaged cap ships to 1000000000000 m3. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.30 19:11:00 - [6] The playerbase who still do not believe that freighters should have some defensive slots, let me tell you a fairy tale. It's called the "Ganker's new ship". A long time ago, two Devs met an eVe ganker and asked him what he wanted. The ganker said, he wanted a new ship. The Devs told the ganker, they would made him a new 5000 m3 ship and it would be the best combat ship ever. But the ganker would have to work with the Devs at every development stage of the new ship. Every time the ganker tried out the new ship, he couldn't F1, F2, F3, ... and kill his target. He went back to the Devs and complained that his ship couldn't pew pew. The Devs told him, that was impossible and when he did F1, F2, F3, ... his target instantaneously obliterated. What he saw was just lag because the ship was no longer there. The ganker said, "Crikey!" At the second testing, the ganker did the same thing and the two Devs told him, the target got popped. It went on until the new ship was released to the ganker. The ganker was so happy and went to grief a hauler. When he tried to F1, F2, F3, ... he found himself in a new clone because the hauler pewed pewed on him. The moral of the story is there is a problem with freighters and people who do not acknowledge the problem is bluffing themselves. Freighters need defensive slots. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.30 20:31:00 - [7] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 30/04/2007 20:27:37 Originally by: Ki An So, you're basically saying, anyone who disagrees with you is deluding himself? Good argument there. And what kind of argument do you have? Freighters that are the kings of haulers have no slots at all are not broken? I am glad I am seeing things. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.30 20:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Siege What, may I ask, could a couple of slots on a ship that has the targetting speed of a turnip accomplish? If it's going down so fast that concord can't help you, what could you possibly do in a single ship to protect yourself? The slots would help to tank griefers long enough for Concord to kill them. I seriously doubt you could organize a gang of 40 griefers to kill one freighter. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.30 20:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Ki An You may read my posts for my arguments. I don't see them as broken. You do. I respect your opinion although I think it's wrong. I don't think you're deluding yourself. I just think you're wrong. You're attitude of "anyone who disagrees with me must be less intelligent" is pretty annoying. /Ki And what contents do any of your posts have? Oh wait, nothing but flames. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.30 20:52:00 - [10] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 30/04/2007 20:48:46 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Jenny Spitfire And what contents do any of your posts have? Oh wait, nothing but flames. 1: You're ideas are laughable and should be flamed. 2: If you can't read the contents because you whince at being flamed, I can't help you. 3: Learn to play. /Ki At least my toon is much older than yours so I know best. The only way I am willing to accept that Freighters are not broken is when a Dev respond to this thread and say Freighters are not broken by design and they will never have any slot at all! --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.

Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.30 22:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Namingway Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 30/04/2007 20:27:37 Originally by: Ki An So, you're basically saying, anyone who disagrees with you is deluding himself? Good argument there. And what kind of argument do you have? Freighters that are the kings of haulers have no slots at all are not broken? I am glad I am seeing things. Show me any other ship, excluding titan/ms/carrier, that can hold even 10% of what a freighter can, using every slot and rig it has. Jenny, you honestly have no clue what you're talking about. How can you compare freighter with any other ship excluding titan/ms/carrier? Freighter is an industrial cap ship. If you want to compare freighter with any other ship, you might as well compare titan with an interceptor. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.30 22:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Namingway Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Siege What, may I ask, could a couple of slots on a ship that has the targetting speed of a turnip accomplish? If it's going down so fast that concord can't help you, what could you possibly do in a single ship to protect yourself? The slots would help to tank griefers long enough for Concord to kill them. I seriously doubt you could organize a gang of 40 griefers to kill one freighter. How much ISK are you willing to lose on that bet? I am not asking for a bet. I am asking that CCP makes it a deterrent in griefing freighter pilots in high secs. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.01 08:07:00 - [13] Okay, what harm would it do to you all if freighters have some defensive slots like 0/3/3 for hi/med/low? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.01 12:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Omak Topal the same will go for freighters, no ammount of lowslots/medslots will make a differnce, it will just mean that the group attacking needs to be somewhat larger and do more dmg before being shot by concord, the freighter will still get killed. learn to live with the idea that you may loose it i guess. Therefore freighters do not deserve any slot at all? I find that weak. CCP might as well give 0 m3 cargo space to battleships because they are not supposed to haul expensive cargo. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.01 18:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Okay, what harm would it do to you all if freighters have some defensive slots like 0/3/3 for hi/med/low? because it would boost a ship already powerful to shrug off 19 battleships, something no ship less than a mothership can do. Invulnerable freighters would be a terrible thing for the game. O RLY? The last I check freighters could tank 19 battleships because they got griefed in high sec. I guessed motherships could tank 19 battleships if they were griefed in high secs because they can turn on 3 armor reps and have resists mods in their defensive slots. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.01 18:39:00 - [16] Ki An, people killers like you would never listen to the little crafters like us. Maybe because you refuse to acknowledge a problem and see the side of the little people. You people killers have everything in eVe, null sec, low sec and high sec. The little people like us do not have those luxury. If you were to spend weeks flying freighters, I would guess you would change your mind. Keep an open mind. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.01 23:01:00 - [17] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 01/05/2007 22:59:01 Originally by: Rawthorm Edited by: Rawthorm on 01/05/2007 21:47:08 It's amazing how in 10 pages of bickering, most people loos sight of the ONLY issue here. Drones bypass concord ECM, effectivly curcumventing a cruicial game mechanic. Its an exploit plain and simple, just like divising a way to survive a concord attack would be. If CCP find a way to make concord jam drones and you still gank a freighter the old way then hats off to you. Crikey! The final nail on the coffin. That is one of the high sec freighter griefing exploit that you have mentioned. Kind of strange that many people killers do not admit it. I am also a Player vs Playerless gamer and I admit the drone exploit in high sec is lame especially when it is used to grief freighters. I wish CCP would do something about it. CCP could also give freighters some defensive slots. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.02 18:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Ranger 1 You know what, every time you refer to players who participate in PVP as people killers you insult most of the players in EVE and make yourself look ignorant. It's offensive, and if it continues I think I'm going to have to send a note to the moderators. It's a game, get some perspective. That is irrelevant in this thread. If you are talking about politically correct terminologies, please start a new thread. The comments from various members of the community are interesting because there is a problem with high sec freighter ganking. It is not right and is a broken game mechanics. I have seen MMOs for more a decade and the term people killers or player killers does fit the context. Might be I am so used to the terminology. If a player kills a human player, the player is a player killer. If the player kills a non-human player, the player is a non-player killer. If I kill a player's ship. I am a player killer. If I kill a player's pod. I am also a player killer. If you kill somebody, you are a killer. I do not see anything wrong with my perspective. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.02 18:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Ki An It seems like you are desperate for there to be a problem and are trying very hard to convince yourself and others that there is. However, there doesn't actually seem to be any rampant ganking of freighters going on. So far I've heard of two instances after the patch, and both were unsuccessful. Freighters have problem. Full stop. If it doesn't, why the discussion is over 12 pages long? Oh I know. Freighters have no problem because some griefers say so. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Requiem of Hades	Posted - 2007.05.06 16:40:00 - [20] A sad day for us. Nobody understands the hauling community. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.

Jenny Spitfire Caldari Requiem of Hades	Posted - 2007.05.17 19:24:00 - [21] Kind of sad. Still no word from the Devs after 13 pages. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.

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